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I would like to discuss "sexual kung fu" and, in particular, semen retention, with anyone who is interested.  To start the ball rolling, I have put my history in detail at my profile page. 

If you have more experience than I do, please feel free to enlighten me on how I can expand from where I am.  If, on the other hand, you have less experience than I, and would like to ask me questions, I will certainly be happy to try to help anyone as much as I can.  Mainly, I will want to help by getting you to read Master Chia's books on sexuality -- "The Multi-Orgasmic Man", "Taoist Secrets of Love, Cultivating Male Sexual Energy", "The Multi-Orgasmic Woman", "The Multi-Orgasmic Couple" or "Healing Love through the Tao, Cultivating Female Sexual Energy". 

Master Chia is the answer man.  I am not even an instructor yet.  I am just another grasshopper. 

This thread is not meant to be only about my experiences.  That is just a starting point.  Feel free to take it in a completely different direction, as long as it stays on the subject of sexual kung fu. 

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Someone sent me a message in my inbox, asking "When you said that you didn't ejaculate for 32 days.. did you have sexual activity with someone ? You used the digital compression or what?"

I am answering here because I want to get the discussion going in the public forum and to encourage others to participate. My answer is that during those 32 days I did not have sex with anyone. That was strictly single cultivation. I used the microcosmic orbit, mentally pulling the energy up my spine, etc. I have never performed the "digital compression", what Master Chia refers to as "External Locking". On day 32, I had sex with the lady in Chiang Mai, as I described on my profile page. After that day, I went back to single cultivation.

Along with the questions, the message included some personal information from the sender.

Sex is obviously such a personal matter that many people will be reluctant to post messages discussing their personal sexual stories and issues to public forums about sex, unless they can be anonymous. If you have created a profile and used your full name that everyone knows you by and you have posted a picture of yourself, then, of course, you are hardly anonymous.

My suggestion to anyone in that category is to register a second time and use a pseudonym, and do not post a picture of yourself. Then you can relax and ask questions freely and share all of the details of whatever subject you wish to discuss. One of the purposes of a forum like this is to encourage everyone to communicate openly and freely. So, I suggest that if you need an anonymous user name to help you open up, then go ahead and create one.

I am sure there are many people in this forum who are interested in discussing sexual kung fu. Some of those people who are interested will not participate because they simply do not have time. But for those who are holding back because it's too personal or some such reason, then consider registering an anonymous user name, as mentioned above. My profile is somewhat anonymous by design simply because I am always acutely concerned about big brother (big government and big business snoopers) having too much information about me.

Update on my story -- not much to report. After ejaculating with the lady in Chiang Mai, I had to start building up my chi all over again. I have now been retaining my semen for 46 days -- single cultivation. Wow! That's more than six weeks! I never imagined that such a thing was possible. At this point, my pot of chi runneth over. It's wonderful. I often experience the bliss that Master Chia talks about in his books. It's better than alcohol. It's better than any drug. And wouldn't you know. It's free. It's just part of me. It's part of who I am.

I'm wondering what comes next. Does the chi keep growing more and more and more? If it levels off, what can I do to keep it growing more and to take it more and more onto a spiritual plane?

I have, for the most part, not been seeking any dates. I am going through so many changes right now, with this brand new approach to sexuality. I expect that I should wait until I have settled in to this new lifestyle a little bit before I try to include someone else. And I have less and less interest in any casual "hook-ups".

I did get blue balls one night a few nights ago just before bedtime. I was very tired, so I did not want to get too revved up, but I did some moderate "big draw" for about ten minutes and the pain subsided. Then I just went to sleep.

Anyone else want to share?
Interesting subject of sexual kung fu. would like if you have any more details to share
Yes, Mahendra, thank you for responding. If you go to my profile page, you will see all of my details. I'll be posting updates from time to time.

What about you? Is this the first you have heard about sexual kung fu? If so, you must purchase either "The Multi Orgasmic Man" or "Taoist Secrets of Love, Cultivating Male Sexual Energy". Preferably purchase both and read MO Man first. I believe that these are available through Tao Garden. I don't know if Master Chia has a preference or even if Tao Garden will ship to India, but Amazon also has both books.

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/The-Multi-Orgasmic-Man-Mantak-C...

http://www.amazon.com/Multi-Orgasmic-Man-Sexual-Secrets-Should/dp/0...

Also, be sure and read the reviews from readers at the Amazon link above.

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/Taoist-Secrets-Love-Cultivating...

Mahendra said:
Interesting subject of sexual kung fu. would like if you have any more details to share
Hello my friend, Mathiso!

Yes, I am doing solo cultivation partly to prepare for dual cultivation, but it's not nearly that simple. Solo cultivation has its own rewards. My chi is growing every day -- day 49!! On some days by leaps and bounds. I never imagined in my wildest dreams that I would ever be able to honestly state this, but, truthfully, if I never have a sexual partner again, I would be totally okay with that. I am laughing heartily as I write that because it is true and I am so joyous to be that liberated from what I always considered to be a cross that I had to bear.

Don't get me wrong. I still have a strong interest and desire to find a good partner, but I am no longer driven by that desire. I am the driver now, not the driven. hehe It's going to take a while for me to get used to that and to the many other changes that are occurring within me on a daily basis. Until these changes settle down to a significant degree, it doesn't make sense for me to bring someone else into my practice or my life. Thanks to the chi I am accumulating, I am less likely to "think with the little head", as they say. Therefore, if a sexual liaison does not make sense, I am less likely to indulge in it.

Thank you so much for your participation, Mathiso. Please share more with us.

Mathiso said:
Ok cool so if I understand you are doing a solo cultivation to prepare to moment you will try to have sex without ejaculation?? For me this is my goal, I think having sex without ejaculation the chi will grow faster and higher...
Thank you, Mathiso, for sharing your story. It takes courage to talk about personal issues like this in an open forum.

Hopefully, one of the highly experienced counselors or instructors who are members on here will offer their expert opinions. In the meantime, I will offer my advice, for what it's worth.

Two months with no porn sounds like good progress to me. Beyond that, I'm going out on a limb here, to some degree, because I am not totally sure if I am understanding your message in certain parts of it. But it does sound like you are trying to force yourself to retain your semen so that you won't lose your chi.

My advice, as usual, is to listen to Master Chia. In "The Multi-Orgasmic Man", in chapter 3, "Becoming a Multi-Orgasmic Man", subheading "When to Ejaculate", after the sidebar, "Finding the Way", Master Chia states: (This is half way down page 81 in the edition I own -- first paperback edition, 1997)

"The Taoist ideal is to ejaculate as infrequently as you can, but every man can and should refrain from ejaculating for a period of time suited to him. In the words of Su Nu, 'One must measure one's own strength and ejaculate accordingly. Anything else is simply force and foolishness.' . . . ."

Master Chia goes on at length on that subject, including recommendations for different age groups. You should re-read that entire part of the book to get the full explanation. I'm certainly no expert, so I am relying on Master Chia's wisdom. Getting the benefit of that wisdom depends on my full understanding of what he is saying. For that reason, I keep re-reading the same books and getting more out of them each time I read them. Also, since English is not your first language, you will need to work even harder than me to get the full understanding. You should be sure and look up any words that you are fuzzy on.

It is important that you get the correct connotation for every word. Otherwise, you'll be reading along and suddenly realize that the previous paragraph (or page) was a complete blank. In this fashion, you can miss whole sections of the book.

Hey, the important thing is that you have some choices and you can determine what is best for you. I am a much older man than you. I wish I had been blessed with this information when I was 14 years old. I am sure my life would have gone quite differently.

At the point where I am at now, my top priority is to retain my chi and when I ejaculate I feel like a helium balloon that has been punctured. Unless, I decide to father another child, which is highly unlikely, I will endeavor to never ejaculate again. But, I did not come to that decision over night.

I have been multi-orgasmic for a few years now and quite adept with redirecting my ching along the microcosmic orbit. Today marks eight weeks of semen retention for me, using solo cultivation. The only aspect which I lack experience in is retaining semen for long periods of time (weeks and months) while having regular sex with a partner. But, remember that Master Chia wrote that, even when he was a young man, he retained semen for ten years while enjoying as much sex with his wife as he wanted to. And then he ejaculated in order to conceive their child. So, according to that, it can be done. Of course, we don't have the benefit of personal attention from masters and perhaps grand masters, as Master Chia apparently did. It sounds as though any time he had a question or a problem, he had access to a master to help him along his path.

No doubt, you will need to experiment with different scenarios until you know what the best course is for you. Only don't force it one way or the other. Flow with it. Treat it as an adventure. You are such a young man. Enjoy life! Don't get too serious about it. You'll work it all out, but, for now, be flexible.

And keep updating this discussion with your progress, questions, issues, etc. Perhaps others will begin to share also. Thanks again, Mathiso.

Mathiso said:
Ok ill share more with you... Im 20 my sexual life is not really active and honestly I have a really good apparence. Sometimes people ask me why you don't have a girlfriend...My answer is that I never falled in love but this aint true..There was a girl but the moment we went to the bed..I really failed...So all the times I can say I am a little bit anxious with other girls... Well Ive beggin to practise the sexual kung-fu because I really believe in this (the chi) I know it really exist and I found it by my self so it have to be on my path of life...So I really want to practise...but The problem : haha.... I didnt release my sperm for 2 weeks and I stop watch porn on internet since 2 months...but seriously... I am 20 years old I want to have alot of sex !!...I dont know what to think I know this is the good path but I never feel what is to have love and sex bahh.. I dont know how to explain but im sure you understand... Also I would like to leave my studies in civil ingineering to travel all around the world...but this is my egoo im sure Im fighting to have no desire like that and be more calm just be happy here...Inner smile and the six healing sounds helps me alot...but i need more!!! Since I know those techniques if I dont do it 2 times a day....I will be unhappy....

This is my story.

Thank you
Another thing that you may want to review, Mathiso, is also in "The Multi Orgasmic Man". In Chapter Eight, "Before You Call the Plumber", on the second page, under the heading, "It's Not Over Till It's Over: Ending Premature Ejaculation", which starts out by saying, "According to Taoist sexuality, there is really no such thing as 'premature ejaculation.'" You might want to re-read that entire section also since it seems to relate to what you were describing.

Mathiso said:
Ok ill share more with you... Im 20 my sexual life is not really active and honestly I have a really good apparence. Sometimes people ask me why you don't have a girlfriend...My answer is that I never falled in love but this aint true..There was a girl but the moment we went to the bed..I really failed...So all the times I can say I am a little bit anxious with other girls... Well Ive beggin to practise the sexual kung-fu because I really believe in this (the chi) I know it really exist and I found it by my self so it have to be on my path of life...So I really want to practise...but The problem : haha.... I didnt release my sperm for 2 weeks and I stop watch porn on internet since 2 months...but seriously... I am 20 years old I want to have alot of sex !!...I dont know what to think I know this is the good path but I never feel what is to have love and sex bahh.. I dont know how to explain but im sure you understand... Also I would like to leave my studies in civil ingineering to travel all around the world...but this is my egoo im sure Im fighting to have no desire like that and be more calm just be happy here...Inner smile and the six healing sounds helps me alot...but i need more!!! Since I know those techniques if I dont do it 2 times a day....I will be unhappy....

This is my story.

Thank you
Well very nice discussion. Appreciate the initiative taken by Jacobus and the interest and excitement of Mathiso is very positive. that has made me ask some basic things. I m confused about million-dollar point, because according to Master chia semen retention is only possible by locating the million dollar point n stopping the ejaculation through prostate gland. To be more specific about my question, is pressing the million dollar point all about working on prostate gland or it is a different exercise? I have done kegel exercises for years and have control over PC muscle and i can easily stop ejaculation during orgasm. stopping the ejaculation through prostate gland is a miracle if one can do it successfully. I hope Jacobus and Mathiso and all other senior/junior members shed light on this issue according to their understanding.
Thank you
btw my hometown details are fictionary ;)
Ricky, welcome to our discussion.

From what you have said, it sounds like you have already figured out how to retain your semen. Master Chia does talk about pressing the million dollar point to stop ejaculation, but I have never tried that. It always seemed awkward to me, so I never tried it. I think that Mathiso has used that technique successfully.

I just clench my PC muscle and will the energy up my spine to the crown of my head and through the rest of the microcosmic orbit all the way down to my navel. During this process my sexual ching energy is refined into more of an all-purpose chi which is stored in the navel area and then later can be used anywhere that the body or spirit needs it. Wednesday marked the completion of eight weeks of semen retention for me.

Prior to putting these taoist techniques into practice, I could never get past two weeks of semen retention without tremendous stress, anxiety, irritability and even blue balls (physical pain). Now, I'm comfortable with semen retention and, in fact, quite joyful most of the time, as a result of all of that accumulation of chi.

Now, with regards to your question, in the two books which I have read, "The Multi Orgasmic Man" and "Taoist Secrets of Love, Cultivating Male Sexual Energy", Master Chia talks about pressing the million dollar point to stop ejaculation, but he also talks about different ways to massage the prostrate and stroking at the million dollar point is one of the ways offered for massaging the prostrate. Clenching the PC muscle is another one of the ways of massaging the prostrate.

Do you have these two books, Ricky? If not, I highly recommend that you get them and study them. They are available at Amazon.com. I treat it like a college class. After all, this stuff is more vital than anything offered in any college I ever heard of. You don't just read these books once. You study them and make sure you understand every part of it.

Hopefully, I answered your question. I am curious what your goals are regarding semen retention. Have you decided on an agenda yet? In other words, do you intend to completely abstain from ejaculation, as I have decided to do or do you have a more flexible plan in mind?


ricky crome said:
Well very nice discussion. Appreciate the initiative taken by Jacobus and the interest and excitement of Mathiso is very positive. that has made me ask some basic things. I m confused about million-dollar point, because according to Master chia semen retention is only possible by locating the million dollar point n stopping the ejaculation through prostate gland. To be more specific about my question, is pressing the million dollar point all about working on prostate gland or it is a different exercise? I have done kegel exercises for years and have control over PC muscle and i can easily stop ejaculation during orgasm. stopping the ejaculation through prostate gland is a miracle if one can do it successfully. I hope Jacobus and Mathiso and all other senior/junior members shed light on this issue according to their understanding.
Thank you
Thanks for such prompt response. I have three books of Master chia, Awaken healing energy through tao, Multi orgasmic man and Taoist secret of cultivation of Male Sexual energy. And I think if one needs to be multi orgasmic these three books are essential. I m taking it just like a syllabus and trying to get better understanding of every aspect of it. thats why i m making notes because for every little question in ur mind u can not go to the book and start searching the book. talking about semen retention, i have tried semen retention earlier with kegels but the feeling of fullness in pelvic region after having multiple orgasm was a problem for me. so sooner or later i had to ejaculate to relieve myself of the burden that remains with stopping the process of ejaculation. i think million dollar point has no pivotal role in semen retention. And in a video lesson Master chia has warned about the dangers involved in using million dollar point without having full knowledge about it. so i would not practice it till i get authentic knowledge about how n when to use it. My goal is what Master chia has done 10 years! :) but that is ambitious i think there are many aspects that one should master to reach such level. Of course all the body must b in a tip top level of vitality to achieve such a level. But i think this goal is acievable in gradual manner. What would u like to achieve jacobus through this. I m working on Microcosmic orbit now and hopefully when i get all the centres running i will start cool draw and testicle breathing. Am i right to go in this sequence?
Well, Ricky, it sounds like to me that your approach is very intelligent. It certainly is a lot more methodical than my helter skelter approach has been. But, oh well, I seem to be getting very good results.

If I were you, I would just continue what you are doing. Once you get the hang of moving your ching energy along the microcosmic orbit all the way to your navel, you'll find that you can retain your semen without suffering any discomfort. From that point, it's all about the chi, baby.

ricky crome said:
Thanks for such prompt response. I have three books of Master chia, Awaken healing energy through tao, Multi orgasmic man and Taoist secret of cultivation of Male Sexual energy. And I think if one needs to be multi orgasmic these three books are essential. I m taking it just like a syllabus and trying to get better understanding of every aspect of it. thats why i m making notes because for every little question in ur mind u can not go to the book and start searching the book. talking about semen retention, i have tried semen retention earlier with kegels but the feeling of fullness in pelvic region after having multiple orgasm was a problem for me. so sooner or later i had to ejaculate to relieve myself of the burden that remains with stopping the process of ejaculation. i think million dollar point has no pivotal role in semen retention. And in a video lesson Master chia has warned about the dangers involved in using million dollar point without having full knowledge about it. so i would not practice it till i get authentic knowledge about how n when to use it. My goal is what Master chia has done 10 years! :) but that is ambitious i think there are many aspects that one should master to reach such level. Of course all the body must b in a tip top level of vitality to achieve such a level. But i think this goal is acievable in gradual manner. What would u like to achieve jacobus through this. I m working on Microcosmic orbit now and hopefully when i get all the centres running i will start cool draw and testicle breathing. Am i right to go in this sequence?
Well, fellow grasshoppers, here's something interesting that I noticed tonight. Today, I worked out very, very hard. I do this very intense strengthening workout 2 or 3 times a week and I exhaust every major muscle group in the body and many of the minor ones as well.

Right now, it is close to my usual bedtime and my body is thoroughly physically exhausted and demanding sleep. Despite that, I can still feel the chi, percolating and buzzing in my brain and circulating in my body.

My body will require about 48 hours to fully recover from this workout that I did today. No big deal. The last time I ejaculated, however, was January 20th. On that occasion I had been retaining semen for 32 days and my chi was enormous, relative to anything I could remember prior to that. After I ejaculated, I felt like someone had let the air out of my helium (chi) balloon. I felt drained, irritable and demoralized. It took about a month for me to feel that strong flow of chi again. For a man over 45, this can make the difference between feeling alive and vibrant or just kind of puttering along grumpily. No wonder, the typical man over 45 gets increasingly grouchy as he gets older. ;)

And yet, these very rigorous, utterly exhausting workouts that I do don't seem to put a dent in my chi levels at all. Isn't that fascinating? I keep getting more and more convinced of how important it is to continue to practice semen retention as a highest priority and to maintain my chi in that fashion to the best of my abilities for as long as I can -- hopefully, for the rest of this lifetime. Seriously, I do not want to lose my chi (ejaculate) again, if I can help it.

haha, I feel like Gollum (from "The Hobbit") -- I'm all obsessed with the Pre-e-e-ecious (my chi). hehe, funny stuff.

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